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I knew that I was also doing something like what they used to talk about in college: the taking of two disjunctive things then the jamming of them together: that was part of our critical education at the time; in fact, John Ashbery would have had it too, probably, though he was twenty years older than I was. 1967; University of Iowa, Iowa City, M.F.A . The poem is addressed, at least in part, to Berrigan, who died in 1983, and the speaker longs to make sense of a country without him in it. AN: I wouldnt be able to take the journey if I couldnt hear the poem thats all based on folk songs and not those lines, but I was writing In the Pines while I was doing the Hepatitis C treatment, where the drugs would depress you, but once a week you would have to take a shot which, they didnt tell you, would get you high for a half hour before you got sick. NOTLEY, Alice. 23AN: We were children then, basically. How, in your view, did humanity get itself in such a predicament? 21AN: She lost her father younger than Ted lost his. These ideas are all very tangible, yet somewhat unconnected when conversed about and referred to. The word, the line, and also the stanza. As Notley writes in The Prophet (1981): One is you & all this & two & yet. The yet is where poetry begins. She is the author of more than thirty-five books of poetry, including Mysteries of Small Houses (Penguin, 1998, winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Prize and a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize); Disobedience (Penguin, 2001, winner of the Griffin Prize); and Grave of Light: New and Selected Poems 1970-2005, which received the Lenore Marshall [17], Encyclopedia of the New York School Poets. 59DR: With your interpolation of popular culture into epic poetry, I would expect you to be a household name here in France. Now there are all these plaques in my neighborhood saying: Here 300 French school children were sent to the camps. I woke up one day. He could write any time he wanted to; Im like that too. Photographer unknown, Alice Notleys father doing the Hopi snake dance, c. 1945, courtesy of the Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim. New York: Chax Press, 2010. [16] Over two nights, November 14 and 15, 2016, Notley read The Descent of Alette in its entirety at The Lab in San Francisco. where it was horizontal on the page. Ive always had trouble getting materials here. That was one of the first things Ted [Berrigan] told me about John: he kept a list of titles, like Civilization and Its Discontents, then he would decide, Ah, that would be a great title for a poem, and then later he would check his list and pull that title out. Get book recommendations, fiction, poetry, and dispatches from the world of literature in your in-box. There werent a lot of cacti where I lived, but there were a lot of bushes. That unusual, horizontal format was probably done to fit the long lines in. At a certain point I wrote them down every morning; sometimes I do it more than others. New York: Penguin, 1996. Line Breaks in America: the Odds and Ends of Poetry, Places and Cultures of Capitalism: Histories from the Grassroots, Conjunctions of the Literary and the Philosophical in Twentieth- and Twenty-First-Century American Writing, Creating the Child Audience: Media and the Invention of Modern American Childhood, Les mots pour le dire. . Need a transcript of this episode? When I was becoming a poet, folk music was popular; Bob Dylan was getting started; and he was that kind of magpie. Of her 1983 workshop, Notley wrote: I expect my workshop will be similar to past Alice Notley workshops: same old format, assignments, xeroxes, forms, occasions, geometries, kinds of poems, speculations on and practice of the lofty and the silly. AN: Complicated as it is, I can sketch it out: basically, everything is just too dense on the planet, which has been a decision made and a byproduct of technology. Everyone who went there was either black or Hispanic. Notley is often categorized as a poet of the second generation of the New York School, along with writers such as Eileen Myles and Anne Waldman. I learned everything from the variable foot from Asphodel, That Greeny Flower.. New York: New Directions, 1962. 5Alice Notley is an extraordinary reader of her own work, which, in the last year, she has read in the U.S.A. (Providence, R.I., and Brooklyn, N.Y.), in the U.K. (Birmingham), and in France (The Pompidou Center, Paris). [7], In 1974, Berrigan got a job as a visiting poet at University of Essex, so Notley and Berrigan, with their son Anselm, relocated first to London, then to Brightlingsea in Essex. 93DR: To pursue with craft questions: in the Norton Anthology of American Literature (1979), in talking about Marianne Moore, they say: Pound writes with the phrase, Williams writes with the line, H.D writes with the image, Wallace Stevens and Gertrude Stein write with the word, but Marianne Moore writes with the entire stanza, and I was just wondering if there was a unit that you use? DR: He has said that he started doing collages in his twenties and continued throughout his life. For the Ride is a difficult book, constructed largely of long, discursive lines reminiscent of a Beckett monologue, testing the selfs capacity to hold together: one is not, ones are not, separated. Notley also thanks Tom Clark who would go on to re-publish the sonnet cycle in his anthology All Stars. 16DR: Indeed, Berrigan and OHara were both Irish names. URL: http://journals.openedition.org/transatlantica/13862; DOI: https://doi.org/10.4000/transatlantica.13862, Universit Paris Nanterre and cole nationale suprieure des beaux-arts de Paris, Creative Commons - Attribution - Pas d'Utilisation Commerciale - Pas de Modification 4.0 International - CC BY-NC-ND 4.0, https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/, Voir la notice dans le catalogue OpenEdition, Plan du site Mentions lgales et Crdits Liens Flux de syndication, Politique de confidentialit Gestion des cookies, Nous adhrons OpenEdition Journals dit avec Lodel Accs rserv, You will be redirected to OpenEdition Search. Interview with Barbara Barg, Rose Lesniak, and Tim Milk. Notleys struggle for solace and understanding is all the more moving for its contradictions, confusions, and stutters. AN: Probably, I wouldnt dance, but Anne might. 60AN: I do not expect to be well known in the universities because that context tends to be too academic, and generally French poetry is in a bad place. There are different paces and reading styles possible; the performance can be different each time. I certainly wouldve used anything to keep from being sent. Theres that magical phenomenon with small children, before they get to be about four, where, if you start singing, they suddenly look at you, hooked. She wound up in a nursing home, the life and soul of the nursing home: a great Irish lady. The Indie rock group, (2005), collects a series of sensitive essays she wrote about her own poetry and that of others from her poetic. Middletown, CT: Wesleyan University Press, 2006. 97AN: He is focusing on the foot; and hes probably also aware of the foot when hes doing the short stanzas. That particular poem is in your selected poems, in, , and it was presented upright on the page, but it was published in a review called. New York: Penguin, 1998. Active in the New York poetry scene of the 1960s and 70s, Notley is often identified with the Second Generation New York School poets, though her work resists any period classification. In The Pines. 57DR: Now I heard you say that the cadences for The Descent of Alette emerged from Monteverdi. I went downstairs. She was married the British poet Douglas Oliver until his death in 2000. The Descent of Alette. Ed. The word, the line, and also the stanza. I made this in about 2005. was influenced by my autobiographical book that almost won the Pulitzer Prize. Frank had a characteristic, manly idea of existing in the world despite what you might call his femininity, and I think that Ted understood it as something like being a Jimmy Cagney or something from the movies: Ted knew how to take that stance. vol. Ive mostly dredged it all up, and I know how to get to it without dreaming. Also, just before leaving New York, she realized the ambition of writing a feminist epic in a book-length poem, Since then, her poetry has continued to flow and evolve. Kenneth Koch Selected Poems. Those are the ones Im working on right now, which have to do with my poetry of the moment. 53DR: The disturbing political and historical moment we are experiencing could disrupt many collective dreams. She edited and wrote the introduction for the reissue of Ted Berrigans The Sonnets (2000), as well as editing, with her sons, The Collected Poems of Ted Berrigan (2005). It always felt to me like I was enacting ideas that visual artists had normally, that I was figuring it out. Pictures from Breughel and Other Poems and The Desert Music and Other Poems (1954): that book is fantastic; he caught the new line, which he refers to in one of his letters. In spring 2001, she received an award from the American Academy of Arts and Letters and the Poetry Society of America's Shelley Memorial Award. 38AN: Would you like to see the real collage? Poems for milestone birthdays and those in-between. Thats why my poetry works so well. It so happens that there are many of those trees, syringas, in Rochester, NY, where hes from. . Why hurry them along? To quote: If its a spiritual offense does it as wrongdoing take place more in more in the second leftover/ as a leftover and is the significance of the double now that I might be might the /one who offends Have you heard it read? They were the CDs that my son made and sent me; there are a lot of miss-hearings of Bob Dylan songs, as well as just a lot of folk songs that I already knew, in that work. She received a BA from Barnard College in 1967, and an MFA from the the Writers' Workshop at the University of Iowa in 1969. Sometimes I have in-between projects and that is a tough situation; because, I usually dont write as well then, indeed, I never quite know what to do at those moments. Poetry itself can be thought of as that which comes from afar. DR: I think he interrupts the thought, but the thought he interrupts keeps going. She describes it as an immense act of rebellion against dominant social forces, against the fragmented forms of modern poetry, against the way a poem was supposed to look according to both past and contemporary practice. The narrator, Alette, finds herself in a feminist epic, on a subway, traveling deeper and deeper in the tunnels, into an underworld filled with caves and otherworldly characters. The Paris Review Interviews vol. What her husband George Burns called her illogical logic. New York: American Poets Project Library of America, 2004. DR: In that book, the heroine is a true medium who can look at someones face and know things, and at the end she is taken off to the asylum; Andr Breton then rails for two pages about how misguided asylums are, which makes your collage seem to be broaching the question of clairvoyance in terms of surrealistic, poetic culture. Was she of an Irish sort? Dsamre. Flowery mantle. Homeric sacrifice? noise of darkness fear of, darkness now mantle of innocence King of his death now Home, Ive come home He said, Ive come home They were sacrificed for, nothing, for distant instants of thought All for your thinking, Illustration courtesy of Sophie Herxheimer, The Goddess Who Created This Passing World. Need a transcript Alice Notley has become one of Americas greatest living poets. 85DR: Also referring to the Aeneid, you speak about Dido in Songs And Stories Of The Ghouls (2011): she is a female character who suffers a kind of erasure, despite being the great queen of Carthage. You know Newman makes these large, abstract works. DR: Eileen Myles is another poet who comes from an Irish, working-class, New England background and lost her father. Its possible Im living in the apartment of someone who was taken away to the camps. Notleys work is famously heterogeneous, but its possible to see a gradual shift in her work, beginning in the mid-eighties, away from the New York Schools emphasis on ordinary detail and the surfaces of daily city life. The Indie rock group AroarA put music to her fascinating piece, In the Pines (2007). He spent two years in India, which changed everything about him. The whole point of the. Do you remember when he wrote the second The Circus? My mother was always curious and interested. I would write during that high, meanwhile I would listen to Bob Dylan tapes. 102I re-read Wars I have Seen (1945) a couple of years ago because she was being bashed in the States again: they were underlining her Vichy connections in order to make her into a kind of villain, without any regard for how difficult it must have been: a lesbian living with another lesbian, in her sixties, in a country that wasnt her own country, Jewish, thus a prime candidate for the camps. Request a transcript here. Orpheus is a stand-in for poetry. Notley gave birth to their first son, Anselm Berrigan, named after Anselm Hollo, in 1972, as well. She was born in Bisbee, Arizona and grew up in Needles, California. The magazine ran for eight issues, three of which were published while Notley and Berrigan lived in England. When I was a young poet, I couldnt figure out what to title anything, and I discussed this with Ted, who said: You should write to Ron Padgett and get a list of titles, which I did; he just made up all these titles for me. 42AN: We were all doing them. The words at night the states serve as a refrain that marks the beginning of each stanza. I had it for a long time and it started to break. Culture of One sees Notley returning to the desert of her childhood to tell the story of one of its residents. This is typical of what happens when I make a collage. Did it influence you? She has also been a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. Her mother was Polish and her father Irish. When he died in 2000, Alice Notley was sufficiently settled into Paris to remain there. Notleys ceaseless productivity hints at a method counter to the heavy emphasis on, and even fetishization of, craft that forms the cornerstone of poetrys increasing professionalization. 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